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RhanoctJocosa · Mar 21, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

This is sad. If half of those 'ideas' are integrated into ch2 then I'm guessing half of this community will quit, but even more will join. Think about it, WoW-like game - no monthly charges. We lose, gg.

The main reason why I play GW over WoW and many other mmorgs is that there's a very firm sense of balance to it. Same armour, weps, level cap etc. Remove this and.. I don't even want to think about that. Also, the new playable races is WAY TOO MUCH LIKE WOW. Sure it's cool but omfg come on! World pvp reminds me of WoW but hey, why not. Obviously I'm missing out on heaps here but just please remember that this is Guild Wars. And we play Guild Wars because it's.. Guild Wars.

Also, I agree 100000000000000000000000000000% with the previous posters in that we've played our ch1 characters for hundreds of hours and it'd TOTALLY RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE SUCK IF WE LOST THEM.

Please don't turn gw into another run of the mill mmorg. GW is unique. It's great. Sure there's always complaining about skill X and guild Y but we still play it. I mean cmon look at this site, how much as it developed over the MANY months. Please don't ruin GW. Just writing this makes me think about all the highlights of GW.. world champs, preview events omg so much! and i don't know why. CHAPTER 2!!!! it should be exciting, everyone here spamming how leet pwnsex it is. take that into consideration anet, once again. don't ruin gw, please.

~Thanks
Rhanoct

Mr 1337 · Mar 21, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by Ninja Spectre

YAY WOW2 is coming!!! except its called GW2 I dont know why they did that o0 weird...did you guys see that strange Asura character thingy with the pointy ears? thats soooo like WOW awesome I cant wait!!!
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10127497

Can I make my character green with pointy ears? and big muscles just like in WOW1 ....I cant waittt weeeee look at my happy attitude weeeee!!! I laugh at you anet! and all you people who cant see it happening...and theres many of you. I have such a positive attitude towards this!! so no one can flame me!! yaaaaaay!!! go Asura!!

Um, from what i gather, u dont like the idea of GW2?
Heres an idea, dont play it when it comes out.

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by ArielEzekiel

By taking away some of GW's unique features and incorporating features from other games would mean the company is trying to absorb/attract the players' base from the other game but at the same, the company will run the risk of losing its current players' base. Is it a wise choice in the end?

That's EXACTLY it!

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Originally Posted by Mr 1337

Um, from what i gather, u dont like the idea of GW2?
Heres an idea, dont play it.

Um... if you've been reading... I don't think Ninja will. But here's another thought... why end a good thing? Or why make a good thing a bad thing and make it a WoW-wannabe game? Why not stick to the "a new chapter every 6 months" promise? It's all a reason to be outraged.

Chunk · Mar 21, 2007, 09:14 AM // 09:14

I changed my mind. GW is dead to me

Ninja Spectre · Mar 21, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

What Ninja Spectre is exercising is being a loyal customer. You might think you're all loyal, defending Anet and pretending to be heroes. I think Ninja is right. I for one highly doubt that I will buy GW2. I played GW for a reason, Ninja too. Maybe you should all just reconsider going straight to WoW and playing the real thing? I for one love GW. I love the gameplay! I love the PvE and the PvP and the way things function as a whole. I love the looks and the artwork. I think all of you are getting these posts wrong. Ninja is just trying to make it clear to all Anet workers who are reading this, that they are also losing LOYAL customers. I've bought each chapter and even have Divine Aura. I've watched friends play WoW and each time realized why I love GW... and it's all of those HUGE differences that make GW GW and now WoW.

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Originally Posted by Mr 1337

Um, from what i gather, u dont like the idea of GW2?
Heres an idea, dont play it when it comes out.

LOL!!

thank you carrie someone with a mind..who isnt trying to be a hero on a forum...and can see what im trying to do not "attention seeking" oh noes oh noes cry cry cry

<- look im cool again

Malibu Illusion · Mar 21, 2007, 09:16 AM // 09:16

No, they're making a WoW clone. As I said, lots of people play GW for its innovative qualities and the fact is it different from other MMOs out there - they're about to, basically, abandon their concept and adopt the same one every MMO of today has taken.

The Ernada · Mar 21, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

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Originally Posted by Ninja Spectre

YAY WOW2 is coming!!! except its called GW2 I dont know why they did that o0 weird...did you guys see that strange Asura character thingy with the pointy ears? thats soooo like WOW awesome I cant wait!!!
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10127497

Can I make my character green with pointy ears? and big muscles just like in WOW1 ....I cant waittt weeeee look at my happy attitude weeeee!!! I laugh at you anet! and all you people who cant see it happening...and theres many of you. I have such a positive attitude towards this!! so no one can flame me!! yaaaaaay!!! go Asura!!

Okay we get it. You dont like GW2. We dont need a billion posts from you bashing the game and not contributing anything else. I've ignored you up until this point but you're getting on my nerves.

If you want to make your point heard, dont act like an ass.

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Originally Posted by CuriousCarrie

What Ninja Spectre is exercising is being a loyal customer.

No, he's acting like some kid throwing a tantrum. Like I said before, if you want to make a point then make a point like a normal human being. No one is going to listen otherwise.

And I say this because I really do want answers about the upcoming GW2. But the legitimate questions are being drowned in the idiotic childish ranting posts.

dark_prince2023 · Mar 21, 2007, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Ninja Spectre

Im really very healthy thank you very much, and why are you talking about the world evolving now? And guess what I cant consider your attitude healthy.. are you high? your too happy for your own good imo... I can let go...o0...its a game but its not right to be told there will be a chapter 4 and be able to play those characters that you like to play so much and then be told no.<-- look my opinion

Ummmmmm you do know there not getting rid of GW1 don't you! you can still play it its not going anywhere just won't have very many updates and theres a game that takes place later but GW is still playable who knows they might make anouther chapter for it or expancions or not but your char will always be there now you can perfect it and make new ones I'm keeping it for the minis and so I can reflect on my acomplishments and play a lil every now and again!! but I can't wait tell GW2 comes out hope its a lil like DAoC never played WOW so know nothing about it!

personally I kinda like that there will be no more chapters I havn't even beat the first one lol I have a Life hehe And if there isn't grinding then what do you call ppl with 9 lv 20's all having 15k armor and max mod weps hmmm with like 100k to spare and don't say Asian!

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

A) Bought more then 2 campaigns
B) Bought extra character slots
C) Bought the game for the "6 month" promise
D) Bought the game for its non-grind
E) Bought the game for its unique PvP style
F) Was promised good continued updates
G) Any one who has rank in Heroes Ascent
H) Anyone who has FoW armor
I) Anyone who has worked insanely hard on KoaBD
J) Anyone who thought Gaile spoke the truth

Excellent list, Shmanka!
I would like to stress point C, especially. And D and E. That is partly why so many people are upset. But apparently we're flaming instead. My bad. We're not allowed to be upset and voice our opinion on this.

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

GW2 offers nothing, absolutely nothing GW1 cannot handle. This company completely broke 90% of its promises like a baseball through a glass window. Has obviously not read Sardelac Sanitarium for alot of good ideas, and has definitely not taken good enough initiative to find out what its customers are actually asking for. Go to Jail – Go directly to Jail – Do not pass Go, do not collect $200

Well said.

poozle · Mar 21, 2007, 09:20 AM // 09:20

I'm sure I remember right at the beginning (back when chapter 1 was released) the general consensus was wanting new races, and now thats being seen as a bad feature

I plan on getting the new PC Zone (UK) to read about all of this for myself.

And I like the expansion joke, the community got what they wanted... GWEN

Also there isn't really a level cap at the moment, you get to level 20 and you still "level up" but you just don't get a higher number.

gohanssj2 · Mar 21, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

I think what made guild wars so specail to me was the level cap it made everyone equal and no one had an adventages i really hope they would change their mind about it otherwise its just gonna be like any other mmorpg...

and what about GvG dont see how thats gonna happen if theres not gonna be a cap or a over exaggerated one and if theres not gonna be whats the point in calling this game guild wars anymore...

Cebe · Mar 21, 2007, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by savage vapor 33

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Originally Posted by Celestial Beaver

I also doubt this would happen. I think Gaile said she / Anet don't support that. If it were ever to happen I highly doubt I would keep playing GW. Basically in real life, it's not good to go beat someone up on the street and steal their stuff...that's what boxing rings are for, if you want to go and randomly punch someone for no real reason...so we don't need that sort of thing on Guild Wars. The current set-up of PvP and PvE is nice, though the skill balances can get some people pretty angry, it could be a lot worse.

I feel scared and excited at the same time about the news...though I want to be able to read the article when it comes out in the UK before I start worring needlessly.

Yeah but also in real life, we dont walk around with swords, bows, hammers, axes, or magic wands killing creatures. Its just a fantasy game. Whether you can distinguish what is fake and real, well that shouldn't rest on Anet's shoulders.

Well where I live people wander across the moors beating the ground so they can shoot birds as sport...but they don't shoot each other to steal each others sundering shotguns of fortitude...so, maybe not so different?

All I'm saying is it isn't pleasant, or accepted, in real life and that sort of behaviour, in my opinion, should not be encoraged online either.

Mr 1337 · Mar 21, 2007, 09:22 AM // 09:22

wow, 10 hours into the its announcement and we hit 31 pages.....is that a record?

Undressed · Mar 21, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Okay we get it. You dont like GW2. We dont need a billion posts from you bashing the game and not contributing anything else. I've ignored you up until this point but you're getting on my nerves.

If you want to make your point heard, dont act like an ass.

No, he's acting like some kid throwing a tantrum. Like I said before, if you want to make a point then make a point like a normal human being. No one is going to listen otherwise.

And I say this because I really do want answers about the upcoming GW2. But the legitimate questions are being drowned in the idiotic childish ranting posts.

He's not even to be tamed by friendly words. We obviously have someone quite unmanly here who can't take changes which nobody enforces on him.

sassoonssamson · Mar 21, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by ArielEzekiel

With regards to Guildwars 2 ("GW2"), I will like to take a more business/marketing-like approach in approaching the issues that I am going to discuss. In my opinion, this will best satisfy both the objectives of the company producing Guildwars as well as the demand of the GW Population.

General

As it seems now, it is apparent that GW 2 is created to rival and to gain an edge over World of Warcraft ("WoW"). This can be seen in features such as:

Playable races
Predominately open worlds
high [100-plus], or possibly no level cap

While I have nothing against copying another game's mechanics to improve this current game as this is what the modern corporate world has been doing all along, I cautioned the developers of GW to be mindful of the unique features that the existing GW has.

By taking away some of GW's unique features and incorporating features from other games would mean the company is trying to absorb/attract the players' base from the other game but at the same, the company will run the risk of losing its current players' base. Is it a wise choice in the end?

GW2's PvP having an edge over WoW

With the new changes in GW2, I have no doubt that PvP players from WoW will be prepared to abandon WoW to play GW2. The reasons being:

The improvements stem out the flaws of WoW's PvP system
The Free to Play (F2P) factor

Bringing achievements over

This is definitely a move in the right direction. It is pretty much a politically astute move, similar to a general election. It will keep the majority of the population happy.

Playable races

In terms of PvE, I believe this is always a welcome move. In terms of risk assessment, I can only say that this is only for the better. More individuality and variety does improve the overall gameplay. Perhaps more races will be welcome although I can already see that more races will mean more expansion to purchase. I have got to admit that is a reasonable business strategy.

Predominately open worlds

In my opinion, the developers have to be very careful about this issue. One of the very reason why the current players' base chose this game is because we do not have other players 'spawn-camping', 'disturbing and annoying other people' in the current non-open worlds we have.

I dare say this is one of the unique features of the current GW.

A move to a predominately open worlds sounds a noble ambition but it will lose that part of GW's unique identity. Will GW2 be able to keep hold of the population that embraces that unique identity more than the concept of open worlds which almost all MMORPG possess?

In addition, more players in an open world will inevitably result in more lag.

These are all something the developers have to sit down and think about.

high [100-plus], or possibly no level cap

Once again, this seems to be a mimick of WoW and of most MMORPG.

With all due respect to you, Gaile, your answer seems both politically correct and correct in the business sense. However, the level cap is a unique feature of GW and I have no doubt that many people are playing GW because it is easy to get to max level and they can try out numerous professions.

The developers must bear in mind that working adults play GW as well and working adults are the ones with alot of real-world money but significantly lesser time.

Gaile, your statement is too simplistic and idealistic. Think about the discrimination of lower levels when getting into groups. After which, the indirect impact is, it will discourage people from running different profession and concentrate on only one profession and do aimless grinding. Will it cause more people to give up the game because they fall behind those grinders as time goes by?

I can see that most PvE players who play GW are not the grinding type and this is one of the reasons why they favor GW over other MMORPG, such as WoW.

I believe the developers would have to look at all this aspects before making any rash decisions.

Doubts over players' opinions

I have no doubt the players who gave their opinions are the ones who are more concerned BUT they are also usually the ones with more time to spare and grind. They are by no means conclusive of the opinions of the GW's population alone.

They are merely suggestions and the developers have to do their own risk-assessment in order to look at the viability of the proposals brought up.

Risk Assessment / Research

The question begs, what is the objective of the developers?

I would assume their objective should be and ought to be to make GW the most popular game and to increase the revenue of their company. (This is the objective of all companies)

Indirectly, this can only be achieved by using the utilitarian method which is to ensure the maximum amount of happiness among the players' base. Although both quantity and quality of happiness is important, in this case, quantity is more important. As such, the developers should look to changes that provides maximum happiness and minimum unhappiness amongst the GW players' population.

I certainly hope that the developers have engaged professional risk-assessment team to assess the impact that the changes will bring. (This is what companies and government do everytime a new proposal is up)

Whilst trying to absorb/share the pie of players' population in other MMORPG such as WoW is an astute business move but losing your current players' population, who favor the current unique features of GW, maybe counter-productive in the process. Of course, this will be very much dependent on how big the pie you gain from the other MMORPG and how big the pie you lose from your current players' population.

In conclusion, I urged and cautioned the developers not to make rash decisions, do a more objective research on the positive points on the unique factors of the current GW, do more risk-assessment, before making any rash moves which may end up in the company losing more than gaining.

Thank you for reading my long literature on this.

Regards,
Ariel.

very nicely said

some thing i dont agree but as my sons name is also ariel not going to flame u

ArielEzekiel · Mar 21, 2007, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by dark_prince2023

Ummmmmm you do know there not getting rid of GW1 don't you! you can still play it its not going anywhere just won't have very many updates

I think that is a very optimistic statement.

In terms of business marketing, the strategy is to gradually push the population from GW 1 to GW 2, not forcefully nor at one go. The impact I can see, with all games, is that the bandwidth for GW1 server will be slowly decreased (Why? - Because there is no revenue to maintain GW1 servers.. no companies will do a no-profit job; The objective of all companies is to make profit).

Hence this will inevitably indirectly force the GW1 population to either buy GW2 or to endure the limited bandwidth on GW1.

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Originally Posted by sassoonssamson

very nicely said

some thing i dont agree but as my sons name is also ariel not going to flame u

Thank you. Personally, I think objective comments are always welcome because you may be wiser than I am and there may be things that I've failed to observe.

So if you have any comments that are objective, I will really like to see them.

Btw, I'm a girl :P *giggles* (mmm i didn't know my name can be a male's name as well)

NB: It will be nice if someone could do a poll on whether will they migrate to GW2 ehhehe

Regards,
Ariel

Riceboi · Mar 21, 2007, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Ninja Spectre maybe if you email anet and tell them you are quitting, they won't make GW2.

Undressed I'm on your side.

synthjeno · Mar 21, 2007, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Mr 1337

wow, 10 hours into the its announcement and we hit 31 pages.....is that a record?

I think the lack of L33t is more surprising.
Most of the ppl have sound and wellformed (yet very early) opinions about this.

Not me, im still floating on my cloud of happiness. Mainly because i just realised that GW's visual style and vibe is the primary factor why i love this game, not the mechanics

CuriousCarrie · Mar 21, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by dark_prince2023

Ummmmmm you do know there not getting rid of GW1 don't you! you can still play it its not going anywhere just won't have very many updates and theres a game that takes place later but GW is still playable who knows they might make anouther chapter for it or expancions or not but your char will always be there now you can perfect it and make new ones I'm keeping it for the minis and so I can reflect on my acomplishments and play a lil every now and again!! but I can't wait tell GW2 comes out hope its a lil like DAoC never played WOW so know nothing about it!

Okay... so why don't you play DAoC directly? Or WoW so that you know what it is like? Well lets see... we were promised that GW would be expanded upon and developed. If they were to run two parrallel games (GW1 and GW2) and develop both and expand both, I'd definately commend Anet and tell them good job. But see, they have so far not completed their primary project and now they are telling us they are abandoning it along with the promises they made to us, their loyal players, and are starting from scratch? Hmm... Part of GW charm is the fact that we got expansions, new characters, etc. And now that is about to end so that I may start overs (yes, except for maybe my few pvp achievements)? Oh yippee... let me contain my enthusiasm (yes... that was dry sarcasm for those of you who can't read into text). Ninja is just making a point that opposes yours and you call him names and flame him?

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Okay we get it. You dont like GW2. We dont need a billion posts from you bashing the game and not contributing anything else. I've ignored you up until this point but you're getting on my nerves.

If you want to make your point heard, dont act like an ass.

Yes... that's calling names... You're complaining about him and then directly after stooping to the level that you claim he is? Very grown up.

Just quit raging at one another!

Yes we don't like the idea of GW2. We love GW1. We've played it for 2 years now. We were made promises of new chapters, etc. We appreciate the work that Anet put into this game and the work they promised to put in. We are NOT flaming Anet for their past achievements, we are saying that we are unhappy with the way the game is going, that it is being steered into a direction that will lose them customers. If only ALL people who will leave this game after they heard of the WoW-direction it's taking would post here, the positive attitudes would be in the minority. With all of the friends I have chatted to today already, we are all unhappy with the new developments, especially after we had been talking excitedly of the new chapter to come. Anet promised us new chapters every 6 months, they've broken it. What makes you think they can live up to a new game in 2008? It is surely more work and commitment than a new chapter.

widowdaballa · Mar 21, 2007, 09:30 AM // 09:30

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Originally Posted by zakaria

Although i don't like that our characters can't be transferred to GW2 but i wanted to say this from long time ago..

BLIZZARD..YOU ARE GOING DOWN SUCKA

HELL YEAH! I'm happy and sad at the same time... Good-bye widow da balla family... Hello New and Improved Widow Da Balla Family!